STOP USING MY PHOTOS AND POSTS WITHOUT MY CONSENT
For some time now, I’ve been adding a note to my posts, as shown in the screenshot above. Unfortunately, it’s been ignored, which is why I’m writing this post. Maybe it will make a difference.
@davideownzall @ladytruckview and many others:
STOP USING MY PHOTOS AND POSTS ON REDDIT
@acidyo @ocd @ocdb @nordics and others:
STOP REWARDING PEOPLE LIKE THIS FOR USING MY WORK WITHOUT MY PERMISSION
RESPECT MY COPYRIGHT AND STOP INFRINGING IT
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You can ask people not to share them, it's up to them if they wanna listen or not. It's hard for me to keep track on who doesn't want their posts shared as I already have lots of other things to do on a daily basis. You're posting them on a public open platform and there's no loss from what I can tell from content on hive being shared outside, if anything it may bring value to our ecosystem that's rewarding you in inflation of all stakeholders (it's kind of one of the base ideas behind inflationary rewards). It may also bring new users to our ecosystem who'll directly follow you and engage/curate your future posts.
I'm not sure what the reason may be why you don't want your photo's shared, maybe consider adding watermarks to them if you think someone might be stealing your photos? I don't think the issue is with sharing, anyone can come in here and share photos/text/other and call it their own outside of hive, whether they're being rewarded for sharing or through other means or just for bragging rights.
Feels like you're going about it the wrong way to ask people not to share pictures when the root issue may be the lack of watermarks on them? Dunno. Kind of a weird situation.
I think we should respect the will of creators who do not want to be shared. Some create for Hive and only for Hive, perhaps wanting to remain anonymous for the rest of the Internet.
I've noticed one thing since I've been participating in RedditPosh. Many photographers have already paid for the hive and unfortunately I must admit that we are still losing more and I don't think we want to expose the ecosystem to the loss of most photographers. Photography is one of the most popular forms of communication on social media and it is worth doing everything not to lose it on the hive. And if such a photographer creates for hive and clearly marks, then we should respect it. Because we can lose everyone.
So maybe it's worth adding to the latest update of the contribution rules in HivePosh that if someone points out that they don't want to be shared further, we shouldn't do it?
Sorry for my English, I'm using a translator.
I think it already is in the rules and I've generally tried to tell sharers to respect the wishes of creators. I have nothing against photographers and my curation projects actively support them (photography lovers community in OCD).
That said, it's hard to maintain and control, if you look at his latest shares it's all unique sharers, they all need to note that they can't share this particular persons content, it's even harder for me to know because I go through so many shares manually each day I can't keep track of who doesn't want their stuff shared when I need to look at so many other things when determining the vote strength towards the share.
We're actively discussing this and any help/solution is appreciated.
You clearly have very little understanding of copyright law, or you’re deliberately ignoring it. So I don’t know if there’s any point in explaining anything on this topic.
My objection stems from my view that certain principles should apply among creators: create your own work, don’t use someone else’s.
Just because someone might steal my photo (watermarks don’t protect anything with today’s graphics software) doesn’t mean you should encourage and reward people for doing so with your system. I base my posts mainly on photography, and I know there are better places to promote them than Hive or Reddit.
New users start out with low rewards for their posts, which is why many have either stopped posting or left Hive. If newcomers see that they can get more by using other people’s posts, what motivation will they have to create their own, better posts? What kind of new users will you attract here, and how is the community supposed to grow in such a case? Isn’t it better for the community to reward creators so they want to stay here and create instead of copying others?
Some posts are shared multiple times by different people just to earn Hive from recycling content.
People who share posts almost never vote on them, even though they’re often new, active posts. Their only goal is to use other people’s work to earn Hive. If they got, say, 10% instead of 60% of the reward, do you think they’d be so eager to share posts?
HivePosh isn’t for promotion; it’s for earning Hive.
I’ve been here for 4 years and I see more interesting creators leaving than new ones appearing.
We're not rewarding them for stealing content. We're rewarding them for sharing your and anyone else's content, if you see someone sharing your content pretending it's their own we will immediately ban them. They are required to link back to the original creator to even be picked up by the bot.
We've curated creators for close to 9 years now with OCD and we continue to do so today, rewarding sharing is only a part of what we do.
You're acting as if all stakeholders/projects are only rewarding sharing and ignoring authors/content when it is mainly just us rewarding sharing experimenting to attempt to bring traffic to this place when close to no one has bothered to share their content outside of this platform in the past without additional incentives.
So yes, we do incentivize them to share because no one was sharing in the past and we've seen great numbers of traffic coming in and plan to expend our sharing operations beyond reddit to whichever platform allows us to do so.
Either way, we'll be enforcing a rule that if some sharers repeatedly ignore someone's requests not to share their content they will be banned from the project. I'll also ban your account now since you wish not to participate in the project.
OK. For that reason alone, it was worth creating this post.
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Dude you are literally sharing photos in an open blog, everyone can come here and steal your pictures, on reddit you get credits and even more personal exposure
By the way you say no share via hive posh, so I'm free to share them on Instagram and Facebook and that won't bother you I guess
You clearly have very little understanding of copyright law, or you’re deliberately ignoring it. So I don’t know if there’s any point in explaining anything on this topic.
Just because someone else steals doesn't mean you should do it too.
No one is stealing here, you are given credit, no one goes on reddit claiming yours photos are theirs
You don't understand copyright. Just because I posted a photo of myself online doesn't mean I gave someone credit for its use. The photo is still mine, and I decide who can use it and how.
That's me saved a Hiver's photo with two clicks:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/520728775687968224/
It's clear that this photo isn't mine and there is a link to the source.
If it were a theft, Pinterest would be bankrupt.
This is a screenshot of my post on Pinterest:
Now I am asking you, @rsphotos, do you feel this was a good promotion for Hive?
You'll probably say "that's good promotion, considering the stats!" and will probably upvote this comment (if you care about Hive a little bit).
That's it - you "paid" me for sharing someone's work on Pinterest. Does it mean you and me are thieves?
It doesn't make us thieves.
Exactly in the same way HivePosh works with Reddit.
Nobody prints your photos on T-shirts, nobody uses your photos in ad campaigns to sell products, nobody claims your work to be theirs, and everyone shares links to your original posts.
Moreover, HivePosh promotes your photography and your blog for free and even pays you (the author's part). HivePosh doesn't promote its own business or a frontend - it promotes "the blockchain cooperative" you have a share in and are paid by.
@inmyframe wrote "I think we should respect the will of creators who do not want to be shared" - that's where I can agree.
What I don't agree with: false accusations against HivePosh and disparaging other people's work, which I found in your comments, @rsphotos.
I don't know how these statistics translate into the number of new registered users, so I don't know how to evaluate them or what the actual impact of Hive's promotion is.
You clearly didn’t understand the main point of my post.
If I, as the author, for whatever reason, don’t want to participate in such “promotion,” that should be respected, not ignored.
What kind of promotion is it for Hive if someone on Reddit clicks on the link to my post and sees that I, as the author, did not want it linked there?
If someone ignores your wishes in such a simple case, what guarantee do you have that they won’t use your photos for the other purposes you mentioned?
I don’t care about that small portion of the rewards in this system. I don’t want people who, on the one hand, don’t appreciate my work by voting on my posts, yet on the other hand are very eager to promote those posts on Reddit to earn Hive. In such cases, I know they don’t appreciate my work; they aren’t interested in promoting me as an author—they’re only interested in the reward for my work. That’s exactly the attitude of the first person in this post.
If someone uses my photos against my will and gets paid for it, what do you call that?
And what about the users who left Hive but whose posts remain? What kind of promotion is that for them?
I don’t think HivePosh is entirely bad. I believe that in its current form, it’s being used to earn Hive, rather than to genuinely promote authors and Hive.
Honestly, if the reward ratios on HivePosh were reversed, do you think these people would be so eager to participate in this promotion?
There has to be some kind of compromise. Everyone should have a choice and decide for themselves whether they want their work to be promoted in this way. It shouldn't be forced on them.
If it really bothers you that people sharing yours posts are not upvoting your posts, then you are just interested in rewards the same way you are blaming others (which you earn for free from reddit shares)
You don't understand my approach to this issue.
This isn't about extra rewards. With my post, I opted out of Reddit rewards, even though in some cases they were higher than a regular upvote. I don't think many people are willing to do the same. I also expected downvotes as a form of revenge, which is exactly what you did.
I’m talking about certain principles and respect for other people’s work. It’s simple: if I like someone’s work, I cast my vote regardless of its value.
I don’t think we’ll reach an agreement because we have completely different views on this.
If I wanted to revenge I'd downvote ANY of your posts, I don't agree with the rewards on this one, you could have burn rewards here, a post on photography lovers without any picture...
First of all, HivePosh isn't a closed club of people who earn on Hive promo - everyone can join. If you believe that's so easy and profitable, join and share links to Hive content yourself.
Secondly, yes, we get rewards for Hive promotion. The same as witnesses, developers, content creators for their posts. Do you think if they all had no rewards, they would stay on Hive for too long?
Why don't you use the same logic to your photography - you are paid with Hive for your posts, so your photography is not photography, this?
Okay...
No doubt. We got feedback, we change the things. We just added no-share user list here: https://peakd.com/hive-197333/@poshtoken/hiveposh-rules
My goal was for others to respect my simple request not to use my posts outside of Hive. Everyone has their own point of view, and the reasons behind this decision shouldn’t matter. Normally, this post wouldn’t have been necessary. The information in my posts should have been sufficient.
As far as I’m concerned, the matter is closed.
No, because the responsibility for the content lies with the user who created the Pin, not Pinterest. If the original user doesn't like it, they can contact Pinterest to have it removed.
Thank you for clarifying your position. To be honest I only shared two of your posts and I genuinely did not notice the note asking people not to do so. Whenever I shared a post, I always made it clear that the content, photos and credit belonged to the original author. I understand and respect your wishes. If you do not want your posts to be shared outside Hive, I will of course not share them in the future.Personally I believe that promoting Hive and quality content outside the platform can help bring new readers and visibility to authors, which is why I use HivePosh. However, I also believe that every creator has the right to decide how their work is shared. Thank you for making your preference clear and I wish you all the best.
Dorota zostałaś wyróżniona, ponieważ uznałem, że raz ktoś może właśnie nie doczytać. Tak szczerze, to trochę żałowałem, że puściłaś ten drugi post. Uznałem jednak, że kolejny raz to już jakaś recydywa. Dodatkowo pomiędzy tymi dwoma był jakiś post z grzybami + ogólnie w szerszym okresie wyróżniałaś się swoją aktywnością. Twój przypadek pokazuje, że mało kto czyta te posty, ale wielu kuratorów ocenia liczbę słów. Za to do promocji na reddit zapewne zwraca się uwagę na zdjęcia aby przyciągnąć uwagę.
Tak, ten post jest po to aby moje stanowisko było jasne i czytelne.
Powód, dla którego nie zauważyłam tej informacji, jest dużo bardziej prozaiczny. Była ona umieszczona w stopce i założyłam, że jest to ten sam standardowy dopisek, który pojawia się pod wieloma postami. Nie wynikało to z braku przeczytania treści posta, tylko z tego, że nie zwróciłam uwagi na tę konkretną informację w stopce. W każdym razie teraz znam już Twoje stanowisko i będę je respektować.
Spoko. Mała porada na przyszłość. Sprawdzaj dokładnie czy nie pojawi się ktoś inny z podobnym wpisem, bo po tej mojej małej akcji mają być banowani userzy, którzy ignorują takie rzeczy.
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