What the actual fuck: Tax and accountants

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On June 30 the Australian fiscal year ends, the tax reporting year, so it's time to gather receipts, collate income and deductions and either self-prepare or have have someone else prepare tax returns to the Australian Tax Office (ATO) but, because I'm me, I start the process three months in advance - I like being prepared.



My tax is complex for reasons I'll not mention here so I do not self-prepare my tax return.

It's risky to self-prepare or use bargain-basement groups like H&R Block for tax preparation in complex situations like mine - A solid knowledge of tax law is required and there's little room for error; were I to do it myself, and if audited, the ATO come's back on me rather than going to my accountant and it's them who're best-placed to deal with that. I've been audited three times and didn't even know until afterwards when my accountant told me and each time it cost me nothing; they dealt with it and that's that, a nice buffer between me and the ATO.

It's for this reason I need a good accountant; no not a good one, a fucken really good one, which saves me complexity, stress and money. I'm happy to pay well, and have paid a lot, but the firm/accountant needs to be on-point; I'm uncompromising on that.

Again? What the actual fuck

Back a few years I was unhappy with the accountant I'd had for almost twenty years - he and his accounting firm had dropped the ball and I'd lost faith so located a new one, interviewed them a few times and subsequently appointed the new firm.

They were good, quite a bit cheaper, like about $3,500 AUD cheaper over a year and I was happy, but then the cracks started to appear. Phone calls were returned slowly or not at all, emails were not responded to and I began to feel like I'd made the wrong choice; I need my accountant to be responsive and interested, that's what they're paid for after all.

Three years later here I am, looking for a new accountant again. What the actual fuck!

I sought referrals from people I trust and with similar income, deduction and tax situations as my own, people who also own businesses and experience the same complexities at tax time as my own. I narrowed it down to three potentials and interviewed them all finally settling on someone I feel quite comfortable with.

I'm not one to enjoy advisors and representatives that work and communicate with me solely by digital means.

I don't mind it to some degree, but no face-to-face contact leaves too much to chance, miscommunication and misinterpretation; that's just my opinion. Others may be ok for AI to do their tax returns but not me, there's too much riding on it.

I also needed someone who understands property tax and specifically capital gains tax (CGT) as I will have a massive CGT issue in the coming one to three years when I offload some property. Sure, one can follow the bouncing ball, but I want to minimise my liability which will be significant and that will require a person who knows that aspect of tax intimately and is creative. An understanding of crypto tax was also a factor, but less so at this stage and I was happy to park that for the moment.

I've been working through this process for about a month or so now and with the FIN year ending in a few short days I've finally appointed my new accountant. I actually appointed another financial and investment advisor after a similar process in the last month as well.

There's some details to cover off such as signing forms that permit them direct access to the ATO on my behalf, access to my Xero accounting software and some other things but I've signed the instrument appointing my new accountant and feel good about it. I'm not sure if I've done the right thing yet of course, only time will reveal that, but I feel better about this one and am hopeful.

When I think about how complex things are for a person these days it makes me a little angry; why is life so annoying in this way and does it really have to be?

I don't know the answer but I know that because it's so complex a great deal of attention and effort needs to go into making it work as best as possible. Neglecting matters like this, finance, investment and tax, never goes well and is costly through failing to reduce taxable income effectively, capital gains and investment tax and other such fucken taxes the government impose - it ultimately affects life later on when people come to realise they simply don't have enough to sustain a decent standard of living through their own negligence.

Choosing the wrong advisors and financial partners can be damaging and after having changed accountants only a few years ago and doing so again sets me back at square one building a relationship all over again. At my age, 163 years old, I really want to establish a solid relationship with the right people for a long time to come; it's important as it's those people and I working together who will work towards the consolidation of my financial position into my next twenty or thirty years. After that I'll die and won't care.

Putting one's head in the sand when it comes to these matters is not a solution, it's actually the catalyst to a big problem.


Have you ever had to change accountants or financial advisors and if so was it a smooth process or were there false starts and rocky paths to navigate? How did you choose the accountant, were you crazy and used a friend or family member? That's rarely a good idea. Do you use a firm or a one-man-show? Do you prepare your own tax return and if so do you think you're getting the best from it - do you really know enough about the tax situation to really take the best advantage?

Income, investment, capital gains and business/company tax is no joke and can be a noose to hang oneself from if done incorrectly, but what are your thoughts on this very important financial matter?



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Honestly speaking, they are all (damn) professionals working for their own gains no matter what stature/repute.

So, typically for them, making simple things complex means real business so that you get bamboozled and panic for the situation.

Therefore, realistically finding the right accountant is critically important that adds value to you, especially with the complex stuff like "CGT" & "business tax" etc.

Things literally can get tricky here but seems you have found a good one to be in the right/safe hands.

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I reckon I have a good one, we've been in communication over the last few days over some things and I'm pretty happy with the attention to detail and diligence. There's so many poor-quality operators out there across many industries and I think it's not going to get better.

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That's actually true. There will always be, those "pretending to be" and "really are" this contrast will always remain and one has to be truly smart to find the "right one" on all factors & parameters that seamlessly fits the bill and delivers exceptionally.

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I also needed someone who understands property tax and specifically capital gains tax (CGT) as I will have a massive CGT issue in the coming one to three years when I offload some property. Sure, one can follow the bouncing ball, but I want to minimise my liability which will be significant and that will require a person who knows that aspect of tax intimately and is creative. An understanding of crypto tax was also a factor, but less so at this stage and I was happy to park that for the moment.

When I had CGT bills to pay, I took liquid funds from the offset account and dumped them into super. That offsets some of the ordinary income, and nets you a nice tax return. There's some rules about how much super you can contribute following a "windfall", but the downside is not seeing that money for a few years.

The upside is the money stays in your future pocket instead of going straight to the govt.

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Yep, my super will get a chunk but one can only put up to $30K a year and back-date 3 years - and only put in the difference between what's already gone in (each year) up to that $30K meaning I'll not be able to offload enough. It was $27,500 up to this FIN year actually. I've got a few ideas though, and I think we'll get it down to the bare minimum. The problem is the 5 figure price I paid for the properties back in the late 80's and the (almost 7 figure) sale prices now. There's a big CGT gap.

It'll work out, but that CGT is going to burn me a little.

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You can contribute to a spouse's super for additional gains, too ;)

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Yep, the girl will get a Super top-up as well.

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After running into trouble with the taxman just a year or so into my first business, I hired two accountants, one after the other, who managed to dig me in even deeper. I bit the bullet and brought in the biggest accountancy firm in Ireland at the time, BDO Simpson Xavier. It cost me a small fortune, but I never had to face another taxman personally again.

When it comes to those buggers, you want the biggest, beefiest buffer you can find. In the end, it saved me fortunes and a lot of stress.

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I get it and that's where I've been at for a long while...i don't have to answer to the tax man, the firm does that for me. of course, I need to know what's up because it's me that signs off and me that's ultimately responsible. This is why I, like you, need the right accounting firm.

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You sound to have a very complicated taxing situation, if it's too complex it's good to give the job to some expert even tough you must be careful because if he makes mistakes, it's your balls going in troubles not his ones, then state starts harassing you and you are doomed

You said that one was 3500$ cheaper, my god how much you pay a full year, that's insane!

Honestly I can't compare your situation there with the equivalent here, here it works like this, if your income is already taxed at source, then you are fine, no need to declare anything (examples lottery, betting, work employer wage), otherwise you must declare it and calculate taxes to pay on your own and pay them (example cash out from crypto, house rents)

Actually i just have my employer wage so I wouldn't even have to do any declaration, however I do it anyway because you can get some money back from medicines, visits, kid stuff... I just do it myself because in my situation it's fairly easy, even if I had 1 own living house I wouldn't have to pay anything on it

As for crypto I won't declare them for now, it too little anyways now

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Yes for sure it's complicated and yeah I have to pay a lot but I use my accountant all year round, not just at tax return time. Without disclosing more than I want to here it's difficult to explain.

Ok, so I get that your employer removes tax and pays to the government prior to you getting paid, but can't you do a claim for "deductions" to reduce your taxable income to them potentially get a tax "return" from the government?

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Yeah I can imagine, hard to explain without giving too many details

Yes employer has a studio doing all calculations and the pay slip and it takes taxes+wage retirement from payroll automatically then pays you with what's left, you can have very small deductions if you are under a certain € x year cap by compiling a module, and also some deductions if you have kid and wife not bringing any income or for disabled relatives, but that's it pretty much, nothing else... In the end of the day 30% of wage goes away to the state

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Ok yeah, the same here for workers, the payroll department takes care of the same things as in your country...obviously there'll be differences though.

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For years my family has had the same firm here in town, from grandparents to parents and now to my generation. The old man who headlined the firm retired a few years back and his daughter took over steering the company. She is every bit as good as her father was and has more personality to boot. They take care of everything, which I love.

lol @163 years old

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I like the sound of that, work ethic passed down from people who have it, down home service. I think that's sort of what I've found especially after some back and forth in the last couple days which showed what I had felt they're deliver. I think it'll work out, but only time will tell. The thing, well...I don't have much time being 163 years old and all.

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lol I don't think you're quite ready for suspenders just yet!

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I reckon I'll be able to hit 203 years old at least, the problem is my money will run out at 202 so that last year might be a struggle.

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There's always Only Fans 😜

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Well, I was thinking about this and will probably do it.

Don't worry, you'll get 20% off your subscription as my first fan. Y'all gonna love it!

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You'll probably make more during your last year than all your working years up to that point lol. 20% off - I'll take two

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Bloody hell, two? Glutton for punishment...although my OF content is going to be rather good I think.

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I heard it's always good to have a spare in case the first one wears out lol

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I think my OF content is going to be ample without having two, but then one is none and two is one.

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I'm pretty lucky that my brother in law is an accountant for one of the biggest financial accounting firms in our area. They audit a lot of schools and occasionally they even audit the state lottery system. I usually just have to pay him with a bottle of bourbon and we are good for the year. He is also into crypto, so he knows how to handle all of that for me as well. I can't imagine how horrible it would be if I wasn't that lucky!

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You may find out some day I suppose, hopefully not though.

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If I get a decent return this year I'll chip in for your candles.
I'd support bumping the GST up to 20% and just canning all the other taxes.
We're well overdue for a dose of simplicity.

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That'll be good, Woolworths have a 163 pack of candles out cheap, only $300 at 20% off the previously 50% increased price.

Yep, I don't disagree on the GST increase but will other taxes decrease or increase over time? The government needs to stop spending tax payers money on pointless things...but they're a train hurtling towards a wreck and can't stop.

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