RE: Controversial Conversations with Friends

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I really feel that the only way forward is if people can see interactions like this. Maybe they'll realize how rigid they've become in their own belief system and find a way to be more flexible:)

It's interesting you bring up the flu shots. My brother who in addition to being a musician is also an RN, had a similar experience years ago. He got the shot and was the sickest he's ever been, it lasted for weeks, meanwhile to that point he hadn't had the flu since he was a kid. Then a couple months later he received a memo that the shot was not protecting against the new variant, so he'd basically suffered for nothing. Unsurprisingly he also chose not to get it after that.

Here's where it gets crazy. He worked at the hospital, and at that time masks were not a thing unless you were in surgery. But they had implemented a rule that if you refused the shot, than during flu season- which was basically fall through spring- you had to wear a mask. Supposedly to protect others. Why I say supposedly, is that again about two months later he received another memo that the recent shot wasn't working for the current variant. However he was Not permitted to remove the mask, they told him if he wanted to take it off he would have to Get A Shot They Fully Knew Didn't Work! There is no making that make sense.

And this happened to him year after year. Because he's so likeable he fortunately didn't have to also deal with Judgy people with his obvious mask stigma, instead they would throw him a party in the spring called the Unmasking of Ed.

Enter Covid and both he and his wife(also an RN) really didn't want to get the vaccine, but of course since we're in NY it was a choice between that and his career. So he got the first one. Then left the hospital to work for a private company specializing in eye surgeries. His employers absolutely love him, so when the booster came along he told them he would not get it, even if it meant he'd lose his job. (At that point he'd seen enough to be angry at the coercion) Because they love him they kept pushing extension after extension and fortunately the mandate was dropped and he got to keep his job.

But how insane is that flu shot situation? And how could we possibly look at it as anything but compliancy training?

I understand your early fear, they really did a masterful job of portraying covid as terrifying. Couple that with losing someone so close to you, during a time where they were keeping loved ones apart...so much trauma to unpack with this whole thing. You know what Cuomo did, right? There's no other way to view it for me then murder, locking the elderly in nursing homes, the putting the well in with the infected, so of course they were all infected, and so many died who didn't need to. So yes, sinister is one of the words I'd use.

While I haven't experienced the intolerance with people in my analogue world, I have definitely seen a ton of it in the digital space. Those who still trust the MSM believing everyone who doesn't is a domestic terrorist, conversely those who believe the fringe are convinced that MSM believers are evil. Watching the way people treat each other, seeing the levels of indoctrination on both sides- for me this has been the most shocking thing about it all.



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I totally agree. As long as the dialogue is open and free flowing there is hope.

It's very interesting once you start getting the inside scoop from the front line medical personnel. This pandemic taught me a lot about how governments exert control through fear and I will never see these type of events in quite the same way again.

The thing we keep asking ourselves over and over again is what was the ultimate goal of all of this? If you listen to geopolitical analysts like Peter Zeihan we're on the brink of a population collapse, China and Russia will especially be affected. America, Canada, and Mexico will in a particularly good position if Zeihan is correct. Now he gets a few things glaringly wrong, his stance on Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general is absolutely ridiculous. He gets this one thing so wrong it makes me wonder if he's not working for the elite himself.

Could this entire pandemic have been a sort of economic reset for countries to prep for the coming population collapse? A sort of coordinated effort to wipe out large groups of the elderly and those who are dependent upon government financial assistance. Social Security is overdrawn and basically now a Ponzi scheme because our government has been "borrowing" from that fund for decades. My gut tells me this is could be the case, then another part of my brain tells me it's too horrific to be true. What is your take on the "big picture"?

I've been hearing a lot about nattokinase lately. I've noticed heart palpitations since I contracted Covid and this is supposed to wash your blood of spike proteins from both having Covid and taking the vaccines. We're thinking of trying it. One dose is supposed to do the trick.

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I don't think it's money as much as power and control. But yes, I also see it as population control, specifically for those who have outlived their "usefulness" according to the ones that run the show. The "Useless Eaters". From everything my husband has researched over many years, it isn't a stretch to say they needed to devise a plan to rid the earth of the obligates without committing outright murder. And there's some evidence that they may have turned to AI to help them solve this problem.

If they put the AI to a task such as- With our giant leaps in technology and the digital world, there will come a time in the nearish future where we will only need X amount of humans (Sounds like the Georgia GuideStones, I know) and surplus humans will only cause more damage to the earth etc., What can we do to reduce the population (within whatever set of parameters they gave it as a metric) A cold "minded" intelligence would certainly look to removing the elderly and infirmed first.

When thinking along those lines, the plot for the John Cusack series Utopia suddenly doesn't sound so fantastical either. If you haven't seen it, basically it followed covid- first virus then vaccine- which led you to believe was meant to kill people then ultimately you find out it was designed to sterilize people without them knowing.

That show was released in the summer of 2020 which was so odd to me. Also odd that no one seemed to make a correlation between it and what was going on. Also the handmaid's tale had the season of masks just before covid. Predictive programming?

Couple these things with a Bill Gates Ted Talk I watched years ago that touched on vaccines and population control (which never really made sense to me if you think of vaccines as something that prevents sickness and death) it's a pretty bleak picture that definitely has my eye on birth rates in the next few years. So far though, I haven't personally seen anything to support it in my actual life. So it could just be conspiracy theory based on a set of coincidences and nothing more. Or ideas intentionally put out there to create more confusion in the public.

I don't know. One of the most frustrating things is having the capacity to understand and think things through, but to never have all of the information to base the conceptualizing on. Or even most of it, as I've also come to believe that we are being fed lies and half truths about everything including history.

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The "rational" part of my brain fights so hard against these dark theories but as more and more events unfold, the more I realize that they could very well be possible. Even if you take into account all of the deception in our medical system and agriculture, larger theories regarding how the elite willingly deceive the masses begin to come into clearer view. Fad diets that actually harm, the medical establishment promoting deadly foods like hydrogenated oils and artificial sweeteners as "healthy" for decades. Even cigarettes were given the establishment's seal of approval for decades. Many pharmaceutical drugs are an entirely different level of evil. On the surface it appears to just be a money grab but it runs deeper than that.

We've all heard about the imports coming into the country that have been adulterated (olive oil, rice, etc.). The newest scandal to break is US farmers who've been selling their crops as organic to the public for years and they're actually conventionally grown. Two Minnesota farmers were just busted for this.

It seems corruption and ineptitude is running rampant among the agencies who're supposed to be making sure the public is safe and actually getting what they think they are purchasing. This is horrendous because completely strips the consumer of their ability to choose because they're getting pesticide-laden (and GMO) produce even when they think they're making good choices. Buying locally produced produce, meat, and dairy are more important than ever.

I don't know how we recover as a nation. I don't know how trust can be fully restored, it'll take a lot for those of us paying attention. I see communities becoming decentralized for those who are awake...people banding together to buy acreage and setting up their own communities, growing their own food, raising their own livestock. Cities will likely be filled with those who can't leave for financial reasons or those who are still unaware (consciously or by choice) mostly renters and subscribers who own nothing.

I hope and pray that the SEC doesn't clamp down on crypto before this next next bull run peaks. I see it coming, especially for alt coins. With every hack or exchange that collapses they're building their case for further "regulatory oversight" (which translates to taking away the opportunities for Americans to make huge gains). They're planning on making it very difficult for the poor or middle class to amass life-changing wealth.

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Oh, and I actually asked chatGPT about nattokinase. It does sound promising! Though of course it included the whole "don't do this instead of what your doctor prescribes", it also said that there is evidence of it breaking apart blood clots and other damage that could be caused by spike proteins. I would certainly try it if I was in your shoes :)

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I ordered a bottle of nattokinase from iHerb. I've also learned a lot about pine needle tea. This works a little more gently to help recover from the lingering effects of Covid and the vaccines. I've been drinking a cup of this a day. It tastes good too, that's always a plus.

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