RE: Hiking in Vienna 🍂 (New drama on Hive, newbie scammer network revealed?)

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I understand. If a workshop was offered, it seems obvious that paid counseling was offered. “Time is money” everyone knows. The event series Block & Wine is a commercial series of events aimed at doing business and enables transactions and networking between participants - even if the event itself is held free of charge. The fact that one or the other business offer was made in the course of such an event is therefore nothing unusual. Bundled first-hand knowledge is valuable - it was offered to you and you paid for it.

That it depends who introduces you to hive is true - as always in life - friends and some friendly communities are happy to help to a certain extend free of charge, but in everyday business you have to pay for services.

The question that arises is whether the service offered was proper provided, because then it's ok. You implied that things were promised that were not true or not kept. If that's the case, then of course that's not okay at all. So I suggest discussing this directly with the people involved. And if there are any issues you are now part of the community that has a lot of helping hands - as the others stated - there will be people helping you to compensate any loss.

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It is still shady to ask for money knowing that the same service is available for free. This does not create trust, rather the opposite.
As you might know, @jerrybanfield tried something similar - and it ended not well for him...

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I think if someone makes a fortune out of their wisdom and service, it's perfectly fine - if they don't do it by deceiving others.

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Its shady to accuse someone here, without all the facts and perspectives involved. hive is such a complex project if you pay a workshop you have a clear view. It creates trust if you see the engament of the users building hive. I personally charge because I brought enough people in for free and now i have not much time to be awake all night answering questions from insulting comments as a well as providing facts.

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Hi @digitalmike , my concern is that it was presented to me like taking the workshop would be the only possibility to be part of the community and to join the Hive meetups. If it is not presented like this, then I agree with paid workshops.

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I'm with you - but more skepticism with such transactions would be appropriate - was there a written agreement, did you receive an invoice?

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I got an invoice, regarding this formalities everything was fine. The only problem really was that it was told to me that the only possibility to attend the meetups would be through registering first through a paid workshop.

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Then that is dubious and based on the presentation of false facts.

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yes, there are facts here missing. I provided them now hopefully.

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Hey there :)!

The only problem really was that it was told to me that the only possibility to attend the meetups would be through registering first through a paid workshop.

I can guess the answer, but I would like to see this clarified, so may i ask about who told you so?
Any information about who told the others to do so, too?

Any suggestions/ideas how to on-board a new person and introduce them to community without them taking a workshop?

If you need a Account or anything - let me know. Also working on solving the information problem btw., but guess this will take some more time.

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Hi @schlees, I prefer to keep the identities anonymous. Perhaps one day we talk about it in person. All the best with the information task! 💪

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When we see in person? Do you join the next meetup?

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That's not true if really @vikisecrets hold the general talk about hive and how it works. At the end of the presentation there was a link to the account creation token provided by @solymi. So you can check the presentation doc in one of vikis posts here.

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Nope, I have not referred @cryptopi314 otherwise he would show up in my referred accounts list.
So whoever created his account it was not me.

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So then he went to @egency or Hive onboard. I don't know but he had already the account when he came to the workshop. You can see that in his @cryptopi314 history.

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BDW For this screenshot I had to do deep research I went to @peakd Aktivities and srcolled sscrolled down until the end. God thanks this account is new... have to sleep guys would be nice if you do your own research.

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@solymi I used @schmidi referral and joined ecency. We only had a short talk at Block & Wine and he did not mention the workshop.

Reason I agreed to take the workshop: When I had asked to HiveP at Block & Wine how can I join the hive meetup to learn more on hive and blogging. I was told that the hive meetup is for socializing rather than discussing technicals and it is better to take the workshop to get exposure to the community.

Because of the above explanation, I thought perhaps every new-comer has to take workshop so that they do not bother others of beginner questions at the hive meetup.

My experience still holds true.

@schlees Tagging you for reference since you also had questions about the sequence of events.

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Thats true @manncpt told me that he can use my ref link :-) and yes of course everybody is welcome!

"I was told that the hive meetup is for socializing rather than discussing technicals and it is better to take the workshop to get exposure to the community." This is also true and in fact it's good to know the basics. So I understand what maybe @manncpt wanted to explain to you and maybe it was a missunderständig.

It's always HOW to communicate things like that. Nobody has to pay or to visit a workshop to come to a HIVE-Meet Up. The completly wrong way to build a community.

I am always telling newbies, who are interessted in blogging, just to start. I onboard them and tell them just blog and you will earn money. The rest will come step by step at the meet ups and with learning by doing. Thats why meets ups should have an official part where people can learn something.

Like @reiseamateur do it in Graz or @kvinna every firth Monday at her online HIVE Meet Ups at discord with different topics.

Also good to learn new stuff ...

Also Cryptoblogger Seminars like @manncpt did it all the years and he is still doing is also okay. But you have to communicate it in the right way. It's bullshit for me to take money for onboarding people and ...

But in fact and I hope that's clear now in this topic. For me it's important that there is a friendly conversation at the future Meet Ups. For me it's important to build in a serous way a Cryptoblogger HIVE Community to support the whole HIVE.

If we grow over the whole world. If you understand the ecosystem of HIVE you don't need to pay for edjucation or onboarding. You will earn much more money with building a community at all ... more more more money if you help people, show them the basics and how much fun it can be to blogg or play here in HIVE ... and to visit @hivefest with the community ...

Sorry for my bad English :-) I hope you understand what I mean ...

For me the topics also ends here ...

Happy HIVE happy LIFE
@schmidi

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I am looking forward to your engagement with the DACH community onboarding german users! Have fun, I wish you the best for that big task. I always thought that the DACH discord server could be the perfect place for every newcomer. If you have then a user who needs especially me to introduce to Hive, just onboard the new user and send him to a @cryptobrunch workshop. I can do that also online in 1on1 zoom meetings... 😉

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@schmidi I like your positive outlook, totally appreciate it!
In my opinion if a newcomer asks how can I attend the hive meetup? Answer is simple: Just provide the newcomer time, date, and location.

Do not give them a workshop sales pitch.

I learnt that meetups are free only after 2nd Feb. and the discussion of the last days on PeakD.

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Yes Meet Ups are always free - feel free to invite Blogger or Nonblogger :-) It should be a nice place to talk about Crypto, HIVE, NFTs and co ;-) All for free sure ...

I don't know what @manncpt told you....

Happy HIVE Happy Life

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Ist das dein Ernst? Ich habe nie etwas anderes behauptet. Ich muss dir dafür leider einen Downvote von 1% geben, weil ich das als persönlichen Angriff empfinde.

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Lieber Christooph,

wenn es dir nach deinen Downvotes besser geht und du meinst, dass dies ein gutes Licht auf die HIVE Community und dich wirft, dann tue es.

Ich wiederhole mich: Dein Leben, deine Entscheidungen und hier darf jeder tun und lassen was er selbst für richtig hält.

Ich habe dich mehrmals gebeten, mich aus der Diskussion zu lassen, weil mich das nicht betrifft. Da ich nicht dabei war, weiß ich nicht was @cryptopi314 und du vereinbart habt. Ich gehe von einem großen Missverständnis aus. Nur bei dir ist ja gleich alles "HATE", wenn jemand einmal etwas kritisch hinerfragt oder einfach einmal seine Meinung äußert ...

... da ich nicht dabei war, weiß ich nicht, was du behauptet hast.
Wenn du nichts behauptet hast, dann hast du nichts behauptet. Ganz einfach!

Ich war nicht dabei und bitte dich, mich da aus diesen Diskussionen raus zu halten ... mehrmals erwähnt ...

... bei mir wird es weiterhin aufgrund des Friedens willen keine Downvotes geben. Wozu und warum auch?! :) Mich also bitte nicht mehr verlinken. Danke ...

Be happy and keep always smiling
Happy HIVE - Happy LIFE
cya
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Ich habe die downvote Funktion und ich nutze sie, weil ich dazu gezwungen bin. Glaub mir, ich bin mit Witnesses in Kontakt. Solange die Funktion besteht, sollten wir uns Gedanken machen, wie und vorallem in welchen Fällen man sie nutzt. HATE SPEECH ist in österreich ein Delikt. Wenn ich die Klarnamen der Angreifer hätte, könnte ich das auch ganz legal zur Anzeige bringen. Du verteidigst gerade Diffamierung und üble Nachrede. Vlt kann man die downvote Funktion auch abschaffen, aber das haben nicht wir zu entscheiden, sondern die TOP 20 im Konsens.

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Why you didnt made that clear from the beginning. You didnt need the workshop to join hive or the meetup!

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!PIZZA !wine !LUV

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